Minutes
of February 20, 2007
Present were: Louis Calabrese, Chair; Marilyn Richards, Vice
Chair; Donald Anderson, Clerk; and Thomas Morrissette. Michael Przybylowicz arrived at 7:20 p.m.
Clerk, Donald Anderson read the
legal notice into the record. Chair,
Louis Calabrese said at the request of the applicant they asked for the hearing
be continued until March 6th at 7:30.
Upon motion duly made and seconded the Board voted unanimously (4-0) to
continue the hearing.
Request for Waiver of Site Plan
Review & Signage – William Raveis,
Clerk,
Mr.
Falcone said that the same sign company that did Gilbert’s sign will be making
Raveis’ sign with white colors but with the same methodically and level of
quality.
Ms.
Richards stated that the address identified in the permit is
Chris Raveis said with the real
estate business agents come and go at all times of the day so they want to have
enough desk space for them. Ms. Richards
said that she was more interested in the space that they are leaving, were
there 7 agents at a time there? Mr.
Raveis said when Mr. Falcone called him regarding the issue he looked through
the office, there would be 5, 6 sometimes 7 or 8 agents. Ms. Richards asked how much space they occupied
on the 2nd floor? Mr. Raveis said the
whole 2nd floor.
Mr. Falcone said for clarification
purposes it’s not really a larger space that they are moving to the area which
is about 4,000 square feet over there but it’s on two different levels. Ms. Richards said that the Board was
struggling with some issues for the
With no
need for further discussion, and upon motion duly made and seconded, the Board
voted unanimously (4-0) to approve the waiver of site plan. Upon motion duly made and seconded, the Board
voted unanimously (4-0) to approve the sign as presented and reminded Mr.
Falcone that there was to be no LED lighting.
Miscellaneous
The Board reviewed the minutes of February 6, 2007 and upon
motion duly made and seconded, voted unanimously (4-0) to approve them with
edits.
Public Hearing Site Plan Review
– The Fields at Chestnut Phase II
Clerk,
At that time Calabrese introduced
the Board members.
Jeff LeBeau, Civil Engineer from
Baystate Environmental presented and explained the overall proposed plan of the
potential build out which would include five phases and they are anticipating 17
additional single units. He said that
phase II is proposed to extend off the temporary cul-de-sac with sewer service
and three manholes - that the drainage will drain to the underground network for
which they have provided calculations to Frank Miorandi. Mr. LeBeau said that they have received
approval from the Conservation Commission for all 5 phases. He said all of the limit of work lines on the
Planning Board plans are valid and have been crossed referenced to their Notice
of Intent. Mr. LeBeau said that they
left off the units because they did know the exact placement of each and every
unit and that they would also like to ask for approval like they did for Phase
I and as they get built and the actual square footages are known they will keep
a tally for the Board’s information and review.
Ms. Richards asked what the lot
coverage is? Mr. LeBeau said for Phase I
& II combined and the whole site is 54 acres and are proposing 9% coverage. She said that meets the requirement and asked
if they were anticipating all singles, she asked if that was based on what they
are hearing from people or is it a decision that the company has made? Mr. Granger said primarily feedback from
prospective clients and different projects that they have done. Ms. Richards asked what the average square
footage that they have built? Mr.
Granger said that they have three under contract and the model is about 2,200
square feet on two floors and they have 3 ranches that range from anywhere for
2,600 square feet on one floor to about 1,600 square feet. He said the 3 that they’ve got at the
cul-de-sac are all ranches and they are 1,600, 1,800 and 2,600 square feet. Ms. Richards asked if Mr. Roulier was going to
honor his commitment to the town and offer some units under $300,00? Mr. Granger said that was the target when
they had thought there would be some mixes of tri-plexus however, by going to all single units they
lost a number of units so there is nothing offered below $300,00 - $360,00 as
their starting point. Ms. Richards asked
how they are dealing with proposed applicants in terms of the limit of 3 people
and the age restrictions and has there been a drafted homeowners
association? Mr. Granger said that there
is a condominium document that is in place and people have to sign it when they
sign their reservation. She asked if the
information is always available? Mr.
Granger said that the by-law is basically part of the condominium
documentation. Ms. Richards asked if the
Board could get a copy of it. Mr.
Granger said that they will get the Board a copy.
Mr. Calabrese addressed the
audience for any questions?
Arthur Solowinski,
Mr. Anderson said when the project
is done it will be one of the top tax payers in
Mr. Solowinski asked if
Ms. Richards suggested that Ms.
Macdonald bring it to DPW’s attention.
Mr. Calabrese addressed the Board
for any further questions, there being none and upon motion duly made and
seconded, the Board voted unanimously (4-0) to close the hearing. Upon motion duly made and seconded, the Board
voted unanimously (4-0) approve the site plan as presented.
Request for Waiver of Site Plan
Review – Meadows Driving School,
Ms. Macdonald said Geof Spear from
Request for Signage – Game
Stop,
Ms. Macdonald informed the Board
that EB Games at
Raymond Fusaro,
The Board endorsed the revised site
plan for Raymond Fusaro,
Public Hearing Special Permit –
James Motors –
Clerk, Donald Anderson read the
legal notice and correspondence into the record. Attorney Levine said that JDJG Properties LLC
will be acquiring
George Crosier wrote a letter stating
that he consented to the submission of James Motor’s, Inc. for a special permit
and site plan review to operate a used car lot at
The Police recommended that
interior lighting be installed to illuminate the site and to the illuminate the
entrance of the south side of the building to improve the safety of pedestrian
traffic at the site, reduce the potential for criminal activity and assist
officers in checking the site in overnight hours. A meeting with the applicant determined that
lighting will be installed to meet the requirements of the recommendation. Sgt. Bates recommended that the sign at the
business be located so is to not to interfere with visibility for vehicular
traffic exiting
Sgt. Bates also recommended that the
Sergeant Bates stated in his
report that the modified site plan submitted did not indicate the location of
any fencing or gate at the site and the amended site plan does not fit the
requirements of his recommendations. His
report continued that it was his recommendation that any plantings at the site
be located so as not to interfere with visibility for vehicular traffic exiting
Lastly, Sgt. Bates stated that the
Town of
Franklin Miorandi, Assistant Town
Engineer wrote that he had 2 concerns, the first being the existing access to
the site located at the southeast corner should be removed, if in the future
the driveway should be needed he sees no
reason that the request would not be granted.
He said during the round table meeting the Board requested additional
drainage information detailing the capacity of the storm drain system downstream
and the detail was omitted from the stormwater management design report, a
second review will be necessary to insure compliance with town standards.
At that time Mr. Calabrese
introduced the Board members.
Attorney Larry Levine introduced
himself and the principals for James Motors - Jim Garvey, Jim Ricco and George
Crosier (present owner and holder of the existing used car license) and John
Masuck from Ecotec Environmental. Attorney
Levine explained that the current used car lot has been in existence for 48
years or so and it has been in continuous use by Mr. Crosier. After discussions with him it was found that
there have been no safety problems violations over the last 48 years. Attorney Levine said when the process began
months ago he had discussions with Town Counsel whether in fact the regulations
of the town (specifically on used car lots and within those regulations) applied
to this site and if there was a need for Special Permit or whether it would be
a grandfathered use. He said although it
is a gray area, they proceeded to go forward with the Special Permit process. Attorney Levine continued by stating that
they will be meeting with the Board of Selectmen the following week for the
hearing on a class 2 license.
Attorney Levine said over the
previous weekend he met with Sergeant Bates and Robyn Macdonald to go over some
of his concerns and recommendations. He
explained that they went through the submitted plans and he wanted to express his
client’s views as to why they might disagree. Attorney Levine said they have an issue with
the fact that currently there is no curbing on
Attorney Levine added that, after
speaking with Sergeant Bates, they came to an agreement that they would add
posts with a chain and lock preventing entry from
Attorney Levine said that he was not
certain why the drainage calculations were not submitted, however, he would
look into it.
Mr. Masuck said that what they are
proposing is to capture the stormwater runoff from the building and the
impervious surfaces with the pavement and the berm. He added that they have been able to capture the
water on site and do some infiltration thus minimizing the impact to the town
system. He said currently it just runs
off the paved site directly into the town system without any of the remediation
or removal of solids or infiltration. He
said so as far as what Mr. Miorandi is looking for, he believes there is an
addendum to the report as submitted to show that the existing town system that
their impact will not increase or over tax the existing system. He added that he will provide the information
that Mr. Miorandi requested.
Mr. Przybylowicz asked if there was such a thing as a class
1 or class 3 license? Mr. Ricco said that
a class 1 is a new car license and class 3 is a junk yard license. Mr. Przybylowicz asked how many cars would be
displayed and how will they be positioned on site? Attorney Levine said up to 50 which is the
allowed maximum under the regulations and he presumes that they will display
them which would make them the most attractive for sale.
Mr. Calabrese said in the Special Permit they are not
addressing the number of cars. Mr.
Morrissette said that he did not say anything about the number of cars but he
thinks the number of cars allowed is high for that lot. Mr. Calabrese said that they are calling it a
storage area, Ms. Richards said it’s business property and she feels that one
could park cars there. Mr. Morrissette
said that you probably could park cars there.
Mr. Calabrese said so you are looking at car storage area, can you sell
those car from there - well that’s licensing authority.
Mr. Anderson asked if cars are parked at that spot would they
need to put the standards of a parking lot or can cars be just be parked there
for storage? He said because he was
trying to get past what Sergeant Bates said about the parking guidelines – that
it did not address this type of commercial automobile sales or car display area
parking plan and he wished that Sergeant Bates was there that evening. Ms. Macdonald advised that she would call him
and ask that he come down to the town hall if he was available.
Mr. Morrissette said, realistically, if a car is parked in
the storage area and somebody comes in the front say to look at a Toyota Camry
and that’s not the one they want and they are told that there is one in the
back, they are going to sell it from the back, they are not going to say that
they cannot sell it because it’s in the storage area. He said the effective use has just expanded
the lot and he thinks that the Selectmen have to determine whether or not the
entire piece of property is licensed and he thinks that it is a legitimate
question – no one can prove to the Board that it is or is not, it’s just the
fact that it has been used that way over the years, that doesn’t make that
right.
Ms. Richards asked Attorney Levine
what the car dealer regulations are currently?
Attorney Levine said there has been an implication that they have been
running illegally. Mr. Morrissette said no,
they were not saying they were. Attorney
Levine said that the presumption was that Mr. Crosier has been operating under
the legal jurisdiction of a licensed issued by the town. Mr. Morrissette said that they could not base
their approval of a Special Permit based on assumptions. He said that the Board always makes sure that
somebody actually owns a piece of property before they do a Special Permit or Site
Plan on it. Attorney Levine said that Mr.
Crosier owns the piece of property. Mr.
Morrissette sad that he was just using that as a example. Attorney Levine said that he thinks it is
getting mixed up with the Selectmen’s jurisdiction over a Special Permit or Site
Plan, what the issue is currently. Mr.
Morrissette said the question is can they legally just park cars on the entire
site?
Ms. Richards said that she was
going to comment that he has been in business far longer than the rules and regulations
which the Board of Selectmen adopted when they were on the Board. Attorney Levine said that‘s why the gray area
and there is no specific language addressing this issue. Ms. Richards asked if the license requires a
plot plan that shows abutters or that shows the area that is being considered
for licensing? Attorney Levine said that
he did not think one was ever required.
Ms. Richards asked if the licensing process itself required a filing of
a plot plan. Attorney Levine said no not
for the Selectmen’s purposes. Ms.
Richards said so there is no way that the Board go back and determine what was
applied for in prior years. Attorney
Levine said that photographs, testimony, etc. would have to be shown or heard.
Mr. Calabrese said he thinks with a
Special Permit they are looking at the use of that site and in this particular
case it is a pre-existing non-conforming lot as far as what is required and the
same use is going to be continued. He
said if for some reason the Board approves a Special Permit and a year from now
the license is challenged as to the area allowed for selling cars – the Special
Permit is still good but they just could not sell cars (without a license). He thinks the licensing authority is the
person that makes the call.
Mr. Morrissette said that he
thinks it is the original piece of property not counting the parcel next to
Mrs. Small, the original parcel, if that was licensed for 50 cars you cannot
fit 50 cars based on the parking regulations.
He said that it doesn’t seem to work and he understands that it’s
pre-existing non-conforming, he was allowed to do what he needed and he didn’t
even have to come to the Board, however, for the Board to glorify it by saying
that we approve the Special Permit - now that it ices everything, he thinks it
locks it all in place but he is not sure it is the right thing to do.
Ms. Richards said the process of
the Special Permit is to look at the parcel - look at the issues that have come
up within the pubic hearing. She added
that perhaps the Board can address some
concerns - maybe some landscaped buffer on the side that abuts the residential
property that might make things a little more appealing to the neighbor and
less encroaching on her driveway.
Mr. Morrissette said that her
property is residentially used but it is business zoned.
Mrs. Small asked how many square
feet was involved? Ms. Richards said if
the lot was being built today it would require 20,000 square feet minimum but
it is a pre-existing lot. Mrs. Small
asked how many square feet he was grandfathered in for? Mr. Calabrese answered for whatever he has
and - he knows in
Mr. Anderson asked once a license
was issued how long is it good for? Mr.
Morrissette said 1 year. Mr. Anderson
said so every year does the same plan have to be submitted.
Ms. Richards said that if there
were no changes renewals didn’t go before the Selectmen, rather simply a license
renewal.
Mr. Przybylowicz asked was it the license that maximized the
numbers of vehicles sold or that something the town establishes? Attorney
Levine said that the town establishes within his file there is a notation up to
50 cars allowed on the premises.
Mr. Calabrese addressed the audience for further questions.
Mr. Calabrese asked Ms. Small if there was something that
could be done between herself and the new owners to try and satisfy her
concerns? Ms. Small said that she wasn’t
sure because she doesn’t know what he is going to put in there. She said that she doesn’t want another junk
yard in there. Mr. Calabrese said that
the Board doesn’t want that either but he was concerned about what she said
before about people parking on your
property and he is sure they can address that situation with no difficulty at
all.
Mr. Calabrese asked her what she saw as a solution to make people
not park on her property? He added that the
building that he owns is also pre-existing, non-conforming and he has worked for
the last 27 years to have a harmonious and good relationship with people who
live in the neighborhood, and he is sure that these people would like to the
same thing. He said that they cannot go
back and erase what was going on for the last 42 years but with a Special
Permit the Board could address concerns like that and he thinks perhaps that
maybe it could be done. Ms. Small said
if he already has a place in
Mr. Calabrese said that he didn’t know if he was jammed
packed with cars in
Attorney Levine said that he has been up to the
Mr. Calabrese said he would like to know what could be done
to make her situation better in the future and so far it is someone impeding on
your property. He asked Ms. Small if she
would like a chain link fence along her property line? Ms. Small said that she doesn’t care for
chain link fences and she would still be able to look and see the cars. Mr. Ricco said that
he was opened to suggestions.
Attorney Levine asked if he could
make a suggestion in that the parties would meet Ms. Small directly and discuss
it. Mr. Calabrese said that they could do
that but it would entail another meeting.
Attorney Levine asked what impact
would that have on the Special Permit deliberations? Mr. Calabrese said that they would make that
a condition of the Special Permit that the new owners are agreeing to put a
fence because Ms. Small has been complaining over the years that she has had
problems with cars parking on her driveway or near her driveway. Attorney Levine said if they agree to a fence
and you tell them the set back then they are giving up their rights to their
land. Mr. Calabrese said that’s why the
question - is the 3 foot issue really her land?
Ms. Richards said that it is
business zoned and there is no side yard criteria. Mr. Calabrese said that he was talking about
the back property line. Mr. Morrissette
said the property is the property line and someone has to determine where the
property line actually is and that is the not the Board’s issue. Ms. Richards so even in the business zone a
fence would have to be 3 feet. Ms.
Macdonald said a chain link is 6 inches from the property line.
Mr. DiRicco said if the line was
determined they would not park cars on her land. Attorney
Levine said that the line could be determined because it was surveyed.
Ms. Richards said that the license,
based on December 31, 2006, is subject to the car dealer regulations of the
Town of
Attorney Levine said that they
might want to ask Town Counsel his opinion because it is not clear as the
regulations were adopted after the issuance of the first license for this site.
Mr. Morrissette said when it is
renewed it is renewed with that statement saying that the new license is
subject to those regulations. Attorney Levine asked the Board if there were
certain issues within the regulations they have concerns with?
Mr. Calabrese said that they were
close to resolving the issue and asked the parties if they wanted to take 5
minutes to discuss it? Attorney Levine
said yes they would like to take 5 or 10 minutes to speak with Mrs. Small.
At this time, Sergeant Bates
arrived at the meeting. Mr. Calabrese
said after speaking with Attorney Levine, and if they were not to use the other
drive and put chain there that would be satisfactory to you? Sergeant Bates
said originally he had said no, just because of the confusion it would present,
but at the original meeting it wasn’t brought to his intention that they
intended to move vehicles in the front lot.
He added that they really needed that entrance/exit for their own
private use to facilitate the moving of those vehicles. He thinks with the fencing and landscaping it
will probably sufficiently address the issue.
Mr. Przybylowicz asked if the fencing would be chain link
chain? Sergeant Bates said that his
biggest concern about the fencing is that it present something very clear to
the motoring public so he is suggesting that they start at the southeast corner
go across the front and whatever gate section they have there, and then go all the way around to the driveway on
Barnum Street. He said he would place
the poles close enough so that when people see the poles they are going to
understand that it is a fence, that they cannot drive onto the property. Sergeant
Bates also said that he would place them close enough so that they present a
nice clear facade all the way around so
that it is be visible especially at night time when people are driving down
there.
Mr. Przybylowicz asked if landscaping would be better than
the chain link fence or would you want to see both? Sergeant Bates said without the curb cut being
removed he would rather see both, if the curb cut is removed then he probably
wouldn’t be recommending the fence because the curbing would be all the way
around to the driveway. However, without
the curb cut being sealed he thinks they probably should make it clearer that’s
not an access for the general public.
Attorney Levine said that he was confused, if they merely
left the curb cut for that one entry way and put the post and one chain link and
the rest of the property continue onto Barnum Street has a curb, why would you
need fencing?
Sergeant Bates said that his
personal opinion is it would be clearer for the people going to that property. He said the poles are there now and there are
wheels with poles sticking up and are attached by chains and for some reason it
goes all the way down around Barnum Street.
He said at some point there must have been some confusion even by the
previous people there and, personally, he thinks that it should be continued
further down Barnum.
Mr. Calabrese asked Mr. Crosier
what his intention was when he did that?
Mr. Crosier said the insurance company required it for safety reasons.
Attorney Levine said they
discussed guide wire going through the chain and one of the problems with snow
removal and the maneuverability of a snow plow.
He asked would it help the situation where the curb cut remains if a
small directional sign was placed there saying entrance with an arrow on Barnum
Street? Sergeant Bates said in addition
to some fence, yes. Attorney Levine said
just the curb cut area because most people if there is a curb there with all
the remaining section - won’t most people understand that is not an entry
way?
Sergeant Rick Bates answered that
he didn’t know and normally when the plans are done like this the petitioners
planning to upgrade the site go to him with something showing what they are
anticipating on doing and then they go from there and try to fine tune it. He said like he told Ms. Macdonald there is
no fence indicated on the plan and so his personal opinion for the safety and
maybe even for the looks it would be better off if they had some kind of fence
that at least made corner on Barnum Street so along the front of North Main
street and around the corner. Sergeant Bates said if you don’t
want to go all the way to the driveway on Barnum Street that is negotiable as
well but he thinks that they should at least address the front of the property
on the North Main Street side.
Mr. Calabrese said basically you
are looking for something that would just alert the driving public that they
can’t access there. He said so they need
to come up with something that work there.
Attorney Levine asked if that would resolve the Board’s concern? He said that he thought that it would resolve
Sergeant Bates concern. Attorney Levine
said if it was mandated that the front line along North Main Street had to have
to cars constantly there.
Mr. Morrissette said that he
thinks that Sergeant Bates’ concern was the curb cut itself because people look
at a curb cut as an entrance. Attorney
Levine said the curb cut itself has 2 poles and chain link that is always there
with a sign on it. Mr. Morrissette said
personally he thinks that curb cut should be gone.
Sergeant Bates said another
concern was the parking space inside.
Attorney Levine said that they didn’t have a problem changing it and they can designate a space outside. Sergeant Bates said with the chain he would be willing to figure out
something so it was very clear that you can’t drive over there and Mr. Crosier
said that he never had a problem with doing anything that Sergeant Bates asked.
Mr. Calabrese said that it seemed
to him that they could probably put some railroad ties to create somewhat of a
barrier, and from a marketing standpoint it certainly would be a lot more
attractive than any fence. Sergeant
Bates said that he couldn’t address marketing,
only safety. Mr. Calabrese said that he
realized that but, it should accomplish the same thing from a marketing standpoint,
putting a fence there if you want to show off your shiny cars there and if they
are behind the fence that couldn’t be done.
Sergeant Bates said that he didn’t
want people to get the wrong idea, he is not looking for a solid fence or chain
link fence or anything like that and it wasn’t his suggestion just a few of the
yellow poles with one connecting piece of chain as long it’s visible would be
fine with him.
Mr. Calabrese said that he thought
they were showing some landscaping so that would enhance the looks of the
outside.
Mrs. Small asked if the signage is
moved would that do anything to the visibility for getting on out of Barnum
Street? Mr. Calabrese said that was why
they were moving it. Sergeant Bates said that it would be set back far enough
according to their design and it shouldn’t effect visibility. He said that it really doesn’t prohibit
visibility now – it is simply that they indicated they were moving the sign so
his recommendation was that it be positioned so as not to interfere with
visibility exiting Barnum Street.
Mr. Przybylowicz asked what about the parking of cars in the
storage area? Sergeant Bates said the
only thing that they tried to address was a different way so that there was a
travel isle but there is not enough room on that piece of property to do that
as indicated in the by-laws. He said at
the bottom of his report he mentioned the fact that we really don’t have any
guidelines for this type of setup the are proposing, so he really can’t say
it’s going to be okay or not. One thing
in favor of this site is the fact that the police has not had any problems with
the business in the past and he doesn’t anticipate any problems with the
business in the future. Sergeant Bates
said that it would have to be left up to them to indicate that it’s a safe
storage of vehicles back there and then if it is not we would probably address
it with them until we found the problem.
Ms. Richards said that the Board has dealt with the issue of
the storage of trailers and the Fire Department requesting so much space
between trailers for accessibility. She
said they have also have dealt with that pretty unsuccessfully with Potter’s
Sport Car and the fact that they are just sandwiched in at that site.
Sergeant Bates said that it is a very difficult area for the
us when we respond if one of the cars is broken into and it is very difficult to
get to the back fenced area to adequately check vehicles. He said the way they are presenting it is
backing in 3 or 4 lanes wide, nose to bumpers, as long as there is space to
move between the vehicles, that would be fine.
Mr. Calabrese asked if the Board could hear about the
discussion with Mrs. Small whether we were able to remedy her problem with the
concerns she had over the past?
Attorney Levine said they agreed to put a hedge the entire
length of the property line. He said
that there is a practical matter even if they had the hedge there they wouldn’t
want to put the vehicles right against the hedge because they wouldn’t be able
to walk around the cars. Mr. Calabrese
said that the shrubs would give her a little bit of a buffer. He asked Mr.
Small if that made her happy? Mrs. Small
said as of now.
Upon motion duly made and seconded, the Board voted
unanimously (5-0) to close the hearing.
Attorney Levine asked if the term “buffer” not be used, they
don’t mind putting a hedge but not called a buffer.
Upon motion duly made and seconded, the Board voted unanimously
(5-0) to approve the Special Permit conditioned upon a landscaped edge along the
property line between the parcel and Mrs. Small property, the employee parking
space will be eliminated within the existing building, the curb cut on North
Main Street will be secured with a chain and 2 poles at all times, fencing to
extend from the curb cut on North Main Street around the parcel to the first
driveway.
Decision on Special Permit –
Steve Graziano
Clerk, Donald Anderson, read an
e-mail dated February 20th from Ms. Macdonald advising that she spoke with
Attorney Donahue and he feels that the Board is trying to issue a permit to
allow one person to do what they want to do and that this permit as written is
inappropriate. With that said please
consider:
1.
This permit creates an
enforcement nightmare.
2.
There are no reasons
why the restrictions currently on this site are unfair and why they should be
lifted.
3.
The plan must be in
hand and fully referenced and all the issues fully described in the permit.
4.
Low volume must be addressed
specifically and defined.
5.
A restricted covenant
should be imposed on the owner regarding the low volume identifying the use,
the number of employees and the number of trips.
6.
A restriction on the
deed.
7.
The permit appears to
be granted to someone because he is a nice guy and Attorney Donahue feels that
it will be huge problem for future Boards and future owners.
Overall, Attorney Donahue would
like to discuss the issues with the Board members before the Board provides any
permit on the site.
Attorney Manning said that he attempted to do some
redrafting and provided some language for the Board to review.
Ms. Richards said that she had an opportunity to look at the
findings and the conditions that Attorney Manning redrafted and she cross
referenced it with their draft Special Permit and some of things she personally
didn’t agree with but the Board needs to talk about it. She said that the Board struggled with it 2
weeks ago with respect to the outstanding issues in leasing the building and
getting things moving and working out the language. She said after they got input from Town Counsel
she personally thinks they need to meet with him to talk about this before we
move forward.
Mr. Anderson asked if there was any way if they moved in at
their own risk. Ms. Richards said that
the existing Special Permit says no, they cannot get an occupancy permit.
Mr. Morrissette said that they cannot get any permits until the Special
Permit has been filed and the appeals period has expired. Mr. Przybylowicz said that it is unfortunate
that these people are in this position and it is kind of an awkward situation
for all of them but the Special Permit that was issued years ago is very
specific.
Attorney Manning said what he was trying to do in the
redrafting - because the original draft refers to the fact that the Board would
have site plan review or waive site plan review and was intended for low volume
uses. He continued by stating that
Attorney Donahue has a problem with but he thinks the most important thing is
to try and define what they discussed and what he has proposed is that there is
a limitation on the tenant’s use. He
said that the discussion they had last week indicated that the Board would
consider having one personal services shop which hopefully would be in the form
of Mr. & Mrs. Gomes beauty shop, to be limited to no more than 1,200 square
feet. He said the remainder of the
premises would be limited to professional/commercial office use which backs it
away from the purposes that are found in the business zone and it brings it
back to the commercial zone which hopefully would be lighter use, would not
impose the same kind of traffic that some of the business uses would. He said that was what he attempted to do by
trying to define specifically and again it is always subject to coming before
the Board and requesting waiver of site plan and ultimately approving the use
within those parameters.
Ms. Richards said the struggle with this particular issue is
the combination of the uses and she doesn’t disagree with him and with what he
suggested as being as one personal service and the rest of the space being
dedicated to commercial/office space.
Attorney Manning said with no more than two occupants you do not get
involved with five or six little spaces that could create a greater burden. Ms. Richards asked if he was talking about the
Prospect Street section because we are also dealing with Shaker Road? Attorney Manning said yes and he cannot see
how they could deal with Shaker Road.
Attorney Donahue said in the draft he tried to point out
that they are dealing with the expanded version of that property which is known
as 37-39 Prospect Street. Ms. Richards
said what she is struggling with is that Steve Graziano has a responsibility in
the process also in that the Board talked with Raveis Realty and they had the
entire floor and said that on average it was 5 to 7 agents at a time for the
entire floor and so it was a good use it was a reasonable use and her concern
is over utilization of the site in a section of town where there is not
adequate off-street parking. She said
that it could work but the way she read the language it was basically if the
Board says yes to that then that’s what is going to be allowed. She said the impact of the combination is the
is the key to the whole process because, for an example, a commercial use of
one tax accountant would create X amount of impact, a commercial use of 2
physicians with people coming and going - the impact is greater. Attorney Manning said that they are really not
that far off from what would be required for that space.
Mr. Morrissette said they are talking about under 5,000
square feet at 5 per thousand is 25 spaces.
Ms. Richards said that Town Counsel said that we also shouldn’t divide
the property up. Mr. Morrissette said
that he could understand Town Counsel’s issue with
that but the Board has to deal with practicality and be realistic. He said that the Board is trying to deal with
the issue and he is trying to get something in writing that would deal with the
issue, that doesn’t work, they don’t match in this case. Mr. Morrissette said the 3 units on the lower
part on Shaker Road are about 3,000 square feet and they have no parking for
them - virtually.
Mr. Calabrese asked if there were 30 parking spaces
currently? Ms. Richards said no there
are only19 spaces and what they added a handicapped space (referred to the plan
for the location) and the Board asked that the spaces be identified in
measurements and we don’t have that. She
said in the last plan that they received the parking space (referred to the
plan for the location) was not identified.
Mr. Morrissette said that they got rid of the dumpster. Ms. Richards asked if the dumpster was gone
and she asked him why it wasn’t on the plan.
Attorney Manning said that he recalled that he said he was
going to move it so that the parking space would come back into play. Ms. Richards said when she asked him 2 weeks
ago why it wasn’t on the plan he said he didn’t know why and the minutes
reflect that but she doesn’t want him to put it back after the plan is
approved.
Mr. Morrissette said there are 19 spaces with a 4,700 square
foot building with 1,200 square feet being taken away with 7 spaces so that
would leave 3,500 square feet left.
Attorney Manning said no that they are starting with 3,700 square feet
on the upper floor because the total building is not quite 7,000 square feet so
they will be left with about 2,500 square feet.
Mr. Morrissette said ok that was what he was trying to get to but after
they left the Board had a discussion about some discrepancy in the actual
square footage of the upper level.
Ms. Macdonald said yes the total of the building is 7,099
square feet and the 2nd level added was 3,875 square feet. She said that the existing building (lower
Shaker Road) consists of 3,224 square
feet.
Mr. Gomes said that there is 86 square feet that is not
occupied - that is a staircase on the right side that goes down to the cellar
and the staircase is 12 x 6 and then there is duct work box which is 6 x 6 for
the air conditioning that can’t be occupied also.
Mr. Morrissette said they now have a building that’s very
close to being in conformity the idea is how do we word the Special Permit to
allow the fact that they are going have a professional service, actually
anybody that fits into the commercial district whatever that zone change be
used for would be able to fit in there.
Mr. Morrissette then read the language that Attorney Manning
proposed for #5 restriction. “The use by
any prospective tenant or occupant intending to occupy that portion of the premises at 37-39 Prospect
Street shall be limited to no more than 3 separate business tenants/occupants
conducting a business of commercial or professional offices except, however,
there may be one personal service shop having an area of the building not
exceeding 1,200 square feet. Not
withstanding this prevision all such uses by any prospective tenant or occupant
shall be subject to review by the Board”.
He said that it makes sense.
Ms. Richards said she had the opportunity to think this
through and went back to the minutes and looked at the discussion they had over
low volume uses and understands that is subjective just like overburden the
parking area is subjective. She also
said they talked about why the initial permit was created, and while some
people may think it was an unjust thing, she really believed that the Planning
Board at that time tried to make the right decision to benefit an existing
business man and the location of his business and the fact that his business
was marketed as being a low volume use.
She said that he needed space for his studio, he needed space for his
equipment and 20 to 30 people coming and going wasn’t an issue at that time and
obviously his business grew and that’s why he moved.
Attorney Manning said that he thinks any reasonable Board
Member or Business Applicant, if you look down the road that’s going to happen.
He said they rely on that decision,
rely on the variance. Ms. Richards said
she went back and tried to reflect what they talked about and she thought
review and approval of any future tenant/occupant and combination of uses on
the premises will be subject to available parking pursuant to section 5.6 off
street parking in East Longmeadow by-law.
She said that consideration will be given by the Planning Board to that
of low volume uses in the event the minimum parking standard is not met - all
of which are to be determined by the Planning Board. She said that Board doesn’t have the
authority to circumvent their by-laws and if you take away the restriction
that’s there then the rules apply. In
this case is that fair?
Attorney Manning said he thinks that Attorney Donahue has
probably more of a problem with that then they do. Ms. Richards said she didn’t know because he
hasn’t seen it. He thinks it’s important
to tie that into the commercial office use too because again that backs you
away from the business so he can’t even come in and ask the Board for anything
within that business zone.
Mr.
Calabrese said that he would like to go back to the original Special Permit if
that were coming before the Board today they wouldn’t be able to issue a Special
Permit to create a non-conforming structure, right?
Attorney
Manning said that they have the same issue now with the Shaker Road building. Mr. Calabrese asked if the Shaker Road was
non-conforming? Ms. Richards said yes
and Attorney Manning said and that’s what triggers the need for the special
permit. Mr. Calabrese said so what he
Board did is created another non-conformity in a sense that they allowed this
building to go up that didn’t have the proper parking?
Ms.
Macdonald said that the Zoning Board is the Board that made the error because
they issued a variance when they had no authority to issue it. Mr. Calabrese asked so did the Planning Board give him a Special Permit
because he was expanding on a pre-existing non-conforming structure? Ms. Macdonald said correct and it was no more
detrimental to the neighborhood. Mr.
Calabrese asked if it was business zone?
Ms. Macdonald said yes. Mr.
Calabrese said now there is a Special Permit and now it is going to be amended
so with that Special Permit we can address what we have there and basically say
that 1,200 square feet will be the most they can use for retail and the balance
has to be used for commercial?
Mr.
Calabrese said that it would be confusing to some Board in the future saying
it’s zoned business why are they doing that?
He said but by saying this is only for a 1,200 square foot retail
business and the balance would be used for commercial purposes and the Planning
Board would have to make a determination if there is any kind of a change in
use. He said that the change of use
would trigger a need for a Special Permit.
Attorney
Manning said any change in use or any new tenant or occupant that comes in and
you are hearing what they are doing it’s in your minutes and if all of sudden they
aren’t doing what they said they were doing when they came in first to see you
the that would be a violation of the Special Permit.
Mr.
Calabrese said the way the non-conforming use by-law reads is that it could continue
in that business and it can also change as long as it is not more detrimental.
Ms.
Macdonald said that it’s not a non-conforming use it’s a non-conforming
structure.
Ms.
Richards said that it’s not a non-conforming use at that location. Ms. Macdonald said that it’s the structure
but the Special Permit because of the constriction limited it to Veritech only.
Mr.
Calabrese said so we are saying that they can’t use it for business for more
than 1,200 square feet but they can use
it as commercial for the remainder or all of it?
Ms.
Macdonald said that was what Attorney Donahue had a problem with because he
thinks it’s overstepping the authority and too subjective. Mr. Morrissette asked what was subjective
about it. Mr. Anderson said because it’s
taxed as a business property. Ms.
Richards said that they were also trying to make sense out of a decision that
was in 1984. Mr. Calabrese said back then
they could have given approval for a smaller building, it would not have the
problems.
Ms.
Macdonald said Attorney Donahue said you have to deal with the hand your dealt,
the variance for the parking as well as the way the special permit reads. Mr. Morrissette said that was why he went
through the exercise because he thinks they’re close with the square footage
and everything else. He said that there
is enough parking with 1 space short and they could limit it 2 tenants if you
want because if you have 3 tenants you have 2 owners so they definitely are
going to have 2 parking spaces taken up.
Ms.
Macdonald asked if they were showing 30 spaces on the plan? Mr. Przybylowicz said he thought 29
spaces. Ms. Macdonald said if there is not 30 spaces they would be in violation
of the variance. Ms. Richards said that
it shows 30 spaces and she wasn’t sure of the dimensions of the spaces. She said they added the handicapped space in
front of the walkway and there was discussion about moving the sheds. Ms. Richards said the plan doesn’t have
dimensions and that it says that parking stalls are existing except for handicapped
#12.
Attorney Manning said he could get a revised plan from Smith
Associates.
Ms. Richards said what complicates things is that they put
together with Ms. Macdonald, an original draft for the Special Permit and she
reviewed the findings and the conditions and sent it back to her and the Board
members agreed with the decision. She
said then it went to Attorney Manning and he came back with different findings
and she e-mailed everyone back with her concerns and now they have additional
findings and conditions which should at least warrant some discussion in terms of
whether it is valid or not valid.
Ms. Macdonald said the one thing that the entire Board
agreed upon is that the permit run with the owner and not the land, as long as
it did not hurt a new owner.
Attorney Manning said
he thinks it almost an unreasonable restraint on title -he is proposing the Special
Permit as amended shall run with the land and shall be binding on any grantee
or successor owner. However if such
grantee or successor/owner intends to occupy the premises, such occupancy shall
be subject to the approval of the Board as provided here and after.
Ms. Richards said that the Board’s position has been consistent
- that’s the way we have been handling Special Permits with restaurants, all go
with the owner. Attorney Manning said
the restaurant itself - not passage of title - for the business because you
have licensing procedure there, there is a difference when you have a licensing
procedure. Ms. Richards said her concern
was that the property would go from one person to another and that new person
would not even have knowledge of a Special Permit. She said with all do respect
to the current owner he didn’t know that he needed to come to the Board when he
rented - when he leased the whole 2nd floor to Raveis Realty. Attorney Manning said that he doesn’t
disagree that is an enforceable kind of issue.
Ms. Richards said the second
thing is that the whole focus of the Special Permit is not the
structure, not the land but actually the impact of that use at that location
because of how we got to where they are now. She said that the Board is not challenging the
fact that it’s zoned appropriately the whole issue deals with how is that
parcel going to be used and she feels more comfortable if it’s in the name of
the owner of the that parcel. Attorney
Manning said he feels that is totally unreasonable, he never heard of
that. Ms. Richards said that they have
been doing that for a long time for all the Special Permits. Attorney Manning said that he thought they have
been doing it under limited circumstances.
Ms. Richards said when have we not put a special permit with the owner? Attorney Manning said it is for the use -
it’s not for the title of the building and he thinks the distinction is the
licensing of a particular use. Ms.
Richards said that she thinks they should meet with Town Counsel and hash it
all out.
Mr. Morrissette felt that nothing was going to get settled
unless Attorney Donahue is present because nobody is going to agree on anything
until someone is present to straighten it out.
Mr. Anderson said that he agreed that the distinction is the
licensing and a simple change of title for purposes of forming a corporation,
partnership or something like that.
Ms. Richards asked how the Special Permit was handled for
the Center Village? Ms. Macdonald said
that it was in the owner’s names and the old Special Permit for Graziano was in
his name.
Mr. Morrissette said the modification is just the fact that
it said for Veritech and all we want to do is get the name Veritech out of it,
that it was just specific for that company and to be able to put in 1 or 2 or
maybe 3 other companies with a restriction to low volume. He said the Board of Appeals granted them a
variance for reduction of the parking and there’s nothing they can do about it.
Mr. Anderson asked Attorney Manning if we remove the name
Veritech but allow it to run with the land for title purposes only, would you
be ok with that? Attorney Manning said yes.
Ms. Richards said that she thinks they really need to give Town
Counsel the opportunity
weigh in on this and discuss all theses issues. Mr. Calabrese said that he thinks that it
makes sense that Attorney Donahue, Attorney Manning and Ms. Macdonald come up
with something and Ms. Macdonald will send us the results of what they thought
as a group would work. He said at least
4 members of the Board have to be able to review it and agree to it.
Ms. Richards said that really tried to push through this
process, 2 weeks ago we were really hopeful that we could come with some
language tonight to button it up and move forward so that they could get into
the building when they wanted to. She
thinks the one piece of information that has never been out on the table is the
fact that the owner of the building who went into an agreement with you before
this process was even settled needs to take some responsibility for it. She said that they are attempting damage
control. Attorney Manning said that’s
why he is there. Ms. Richards said the
Board is being pushed into making decisions.
Attorney Manning said that they are not being pushed at all because they
have agreed to about 3 continuances and it has been going on since the fall and
he doesn’t mean to bring that up but they agreed to about 6 weeks of continuances, he said they aren’t pushing,
they should be pushing and if it was any other lawyer they would be pushing.
Mr. Przybylowicz said he understand the predicament they are
in and he is somewhat embarrassed about it and they are stressed that they are
occupying a building that they are no longer welcome in. Mr. Calabrese said that he thinks what is
important is that all 5 of us Board members voted for this and all 5 of us shall
have the opportunity to review what ever language comes up so if that’s the
case there is nothing to worry about.
Attorney Manning said hopefully it won’t have to be put off
for another 2 weeks, maybe we can agree that you bring it home and finalize a
few things and get it signed a few days after that possibly, if we can work
something out with Attorney Donahue & Ms. Macdonald.
Mr. Calabrese said that Ms. Macdonald will get together with
Attorney Manning and Town Counsel and whomever from the Board would like to
attend. He said when that is completed
and there is a resolution that’s satisfactory by all the parties, Ms. Macdoanld
will inform all of the Board Members by e-mail and until each Board Member is
satisfied with the language the Special Permit it would not be approved. He said that way everyone has an opportunity
so if it’s 2 weeks or 4 weeks, whatever it works out to be because all 5 people
voted, all 5 people should have the right to review the language.
Therefore, with no further business and upon motion duly
made and seconded, the Board voted to close the meeting at 10:45 p.m.
Very
truly yours,
Donald
J. Anderson, Clerk